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Wir sind einen Schritt weiter mit der Amel Santorin 1992. Das letzte Mal hatten wir die Erstbesichtigung, heute geht es nach unserem erfolgreichen Angebot an den Verkäufer weiter mit der technischen Untersuchung. Treten noch Baustellen auf? Bremst uns noch etwas auf den letzten Metern? Die Spannung steigt, denn wir mögen dieses Boot sehr! Im zweiten Teil erläutere ich, was es bedeutet, ein Boot in Italien zu kaufen. Noch dazu eines, was auf die französische Flagge registriert ist. Welche Besonderheiten gibt es? Welche Rolle spielt der Gutachter? Was ist mit der Umsatzsteuer für gebrauchte Boote? 00:00 - 00:19 Was in dieser Folge passiert 00:20 - 03:40 Anreise in die Toskana und der Abend davor 03:41 - 09:17 Die technische Besichtigung und meine Einschätzung 09:18 - 13:50 Rückfahrt mit der Santorin 46 mit dem Eigner 13:51 - 14:48 Abstecher nach Pisa 14:49 - 20:47 Kauf des Bootes in Italien - was bedeutet das? Hier der Blogartikel den ich erwähnte. Er geht über die Mehrwertsteuer bzw. Umsatzsteuer beim Kauf gebrauchter Boote: https://hafenkino.blog/nachweis-der-umsatzversteuerung-bei-schiffen/ Du kannst uns auch hier besuchen: https://www.instagram.com/hafenkino.blog https://www.facebook.com/hafenkino.blog https://hafenkino.blog Musik: https://www.epidemicsound.com/ Aufgenommen mit: iPhone 11, XR und GoPro Hero 6 *Lumix DC-G110 https://amzn.to/3vVu5ri *Sennheiser MKE 200 https://amzn.to/35ZHH9T *Gimbal: DJI OM4 https://amzn.to/3Cun8hT Micro 1: *Røde ME-L (mit Windschutz!) https://amzn.to/43CXEMr Micro 2: *Saramonic Blink 500 https://amzn.to/3tHPLEt Drohne: DJI Mini SE Fly More Combo https://amzn.to/3LOjpze Filmschnitt: iMovie, Premiere Pro und Adobe Rush Wenn du uns unterstützen möchtest, dann gehe doch vor deiner nächsten Amazonbestellung über einen der Amazon - Kurzlinks auf von hafenkino.blog auf Amazon. Bei einer Bestellung innerhalb der nächsten 24 Stunden erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Nicht viel und wir sehen auch nicht, wer was kauft. Werbehinweis für Artikel und Links mit Sternchen (*) Es handelt sich um einen Affiliate-Link, das heißt, wenn du auf der verlinkten Website etwas kaufst, erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Damit unterstützt du uns dabei sehr guten Content zu produzieren! Weitere Möglichkeiten zur Unterstützung folgen bald! Vlogs die wir mögen: Sailing Uma Anna und Malin Segeljungs Untie the lines Sailing Magic Carpet Sailing Fair Isle No bullshit - just sailing SEO: sailing,segeln,liveaboard,segeltörn,boatlife,sailingcouple,blauwasser,bluewatersailing,Langfahrt,langfahrtsegeln,törn,Atlantik,bluewatercruising,sailboat,sailing adventure,sailing vlog,anchoring,voranker,liveaboard,sailboat,mittelmeer,reisen,travelvlog,travelvlogger,sailingvideo,spain,spanien,segeln in spanien, Amel yachts, Amel Santorin 46, Ketch, Bootsbesichtigung, boat review
The new Seawind 1170, at 39 feet on the smaller end of the company’s range, is designed to be easily managed by a couple but also built fully ocean-worthy as a CE Category A multihull. The interior design is based in what Seawind has found to be proven brand characteristics—twin helms protected in the cockpit with direct communication to the salon, a clever trifold door that can lift into the overhead to fully open the space between salon and cockpit, galley down to allow maximum space for the salon, including a spacious nav station, large windows all around with sturdy opening windows forward for ventilation, and collision bulkheads. Where things have been updated are in the hulls themselves with a reverse bow for better upwind capability, a step in the topsides to allow more interior volume—especially in the aft cabins—and more headroom throughout. Composite and structural engineering is by New Zealand-based Gurit, who also engineered the 1160 and 1260. All the tooling is new; hulls are fully infused with vinylester resin, and carbon reinforces key structural areas to minimize weight while enhancing performance. The first few hulls were built at Seawind’s operation in Vietnam, but the tooling has been shipped to a new, 56,000-foot facility and customer service center on the Aegean Sea in Turkey, where the 1170 is now being built. @SeawindCatamarans
Water tank-100 Liters stainless steel Diesel tank- 50 Liters stainless steel 100x2 Ah of lithium combined with 360W solar power This is a video for potential buyers. I’ve been working full time since I left Fishcake. If Fishcake doesn’t sell I will most probably get back to Caribbean in January and continue with my adventures.
This 2012 model Bordeaux 60 is exceptionally well equipped and underwent an extensive refit in 2021 under instruction of her current owner. She has had full time crew on board since the refit and she had a very successful season cruising as far as Corsica in 2021 and Greece in 2022 where all systems were fully proven and greatly enjoyed. PINTXITU presents a fantastic opportunity having been so extensively refitted. Her new owner will greatly benefit from the time put in and the investment made. NOTABLE FEATURES The refit in 2021 included - Hull repainted in grey - Mast and boom painted and new standing rigging - Five lithium batteries and renewed air-conditioning and 220V systems - New RIB, bimini, sprayhood and covers - New instrumentation Briand design delivers excellent performance and sea-keeping Teak laid cockpit, side decks and foredeck, grey caulking Master cabin located forward benefitting from redesigned bathroom and XL shower Crew cabin fit-out Twin forestays, staysail on self-tacker A/C with silent overnight running mode without use of generator For full information and detailed photography please visit our website: www.aberyyachts.com/for-sale/cnb-bordeaux-60_30 To see all listings: www.aberyyachts.com
Going back in time a bit in this video to the first time I was able to walk through the boat at night. This is a very important part of the construction process. Since this initial look we have been able to set scenes and have toned down all the lighting to the point where it draws half the amount of electricity that it initially did. Check it out!
Wir fahren nach Italien, in die Toskana, aber nicht zum Romatikurlaub. Wir besichtigen ein Blauwasserboot, ein ganz besonderes: eine Amel. Amels sind ja eine Klasse für sich, was Qualität und Einfachheit für Langfahrt angeht. Hier ein etwas weniger bekanntes Modell, eine Amel Santorin 1992. Wer die Amels kennt, diese ähnelt der Amel Super Maramu und das täuscht auch nicht: es ist die kleine Schwester der Amel Super Maramu. 00:00 - 00:22 Was in dieser Folge passiert 00:22 - 06:00 Florenz und Bahnfahrt nach Livorno 06:00 - 08:23 An Deck der Santorin 46 08:23 - 13:35 Unter Deck der Santorin 46 13:35 - 22:14 Hintergründe zum Boot und zu unseren Überlegungen Du kannst uns auch hier besuchen: https://www.instagram.com/hafenkino.blog https://www.facebook.com/hafenkino.blog https://hafenkino.blog Musik: https://www.epidemicsound.com/ Aufgenommen mit: iPhone 11, XR und GoPro Hero 6 *Lumix DC-G110 https://amzn.to/3vVu5ri *Sennheiser MKE 200 https://amzn.to/35ZHH9T *Gimbal: DJI OM4 https://amzn.to/3Cun8hT Micro 1: *Røde ME-L (mit Windschutz!) https://amzn.to/43CXEMr Micro 2: *Saramonic Blink 500 https://amzn.to/3tHPLEt Drohne: DJI Mini SE Fly More Combo https://amzn.to/3LOjpze Filmschnitt: iMovie, Premiere Pro und Adobe Rush Wenn du uns unterstützen möchtest, dann gehe doch vor deiner nächsten Amazonbestellung über einen der Amazon - Kurzlinks auf von hafenkino.blog auf Amazon. Bei einer Bestellung innerhalb der nächsten 24 Stunden erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Nicht viel und wir sehen auch nicht, wer was kauft. Werbehinweis für Artikel und Links mit Sternchen (*) Es handelt sich um einen Affiliate-Link, das heißt, wenn du auf der verlinkten Website etwas kaufst, erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Damit unterstützt du uns dabei sehr guten Content zu produzieren! Weitere Möglichkeiten zur Unterstützung folgen bald! Vlogs die wir mögen: Sailing Uma Anna und Malin Segeljungs Untie the lines Sailing Magic Carpet Sailing Fair Isle No bullshit - just sailing SEO: sailing,segeln,liveaboard,segeltörn,boatlife,sailingcouple,blauwasser,bluewatersailing,Amel,aAmelSantorin,Langfahrt,langfahrtsegeln,törn,Atlantik,bluewatercruising,sailboat,sailing adventure,sailing vlog,anchoring,voranker,liveaboard,sailboat,mittelmeer,reisen,travelvlog,travelvlogger,sailingvideo,spain,spanien,segeln in spanien, Bootsbesichtigung, boat review
► For several years now, the Antares has been a sure bet for sailors looking for an owner's catamaran to sail around the world. But the distribution of these craft remains relatively discreet. Built in Argentina, the Antares has the particularity of being offered “ready to go” with all the options necessary for life on board for a round the world trip. The GT version offers a new helm station, well protected by a large bimini. The skipper will appreciate this attention to detail as much when in the tropics as when in the North Atlantic... or South Atlantic. The Antares' hulls are efficient: this multihull is aimed above all at a clientele of demanding adventurous sailors. The Hybrid version really ought to be the flagship of this model since, for the past 14 months, the manufacturer has only delivered this version at the expense of the GT... ► TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Builder: Antares Length: 44’7” (13.60 m) Beam: 21’8” (6.60 m) Light displacement: 19,510 lbs (8.85 t) Draft: 3’11” (1.20 m) Mainsail: 613 sq ft (57 m²) Genoa: 475 sq ft (44 m²) Gennaker: 730 sq ft (68 m²) No. of cabins: 3 Water: 150 US gal (568 l) Diesel: 120 US gal (455 l) Motors: 2 x 10 kW ► Become a FREE SUBSCRIBER to Multihulls World's YouTube page now - https://www.youtube.com/c/MultihullsWorld ► Log on to our website to discover over 500 multihulls tests! Subscribe to our newsletter to take advantage of our promotions and boat show invitations! https://www.multihulls-world.com/ ► Follow us on Facebook! https://m.facebook.com/MultihullsWorldMag/?locale2=fr_FR ► Discover us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/multihulls_world/ ► Follow our multi news on X - https://twitter.com/multihullsworld?lang=fr ► Let’s talk about business on Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/company/multicoques-mag-multihulls-world/ ► Like us on TikTok! https://www.tiktok.com/@multihullsworldmag @AntaresCatamarans #antarescatamarans @annapolisboatshows9586 #annapolisboatsshows #forevergreen #electricboat #multicoquesmag #multihullsworld #catamaran #multihull #gwendorning
Asking $749,000.00 and LLC Owned this fully equipped offshore cruiser is packed with all the gear you would need. Generator, Water Maker, Air Conditioning, Full Electronics and much more. It has a transferable slip in Marina del Rey, California. For more information please contact Ian Van Tuyl the yacht specialist. Please feel free to contact me at any time day or night and I look forward to hearing from you and hopefully earning your business. 1-(619)-507-4416 ivtyachtsales@gmail.com http://www.ivtyachtsales.com
Review of a 2018 Jeanneau 44 Deck Salon Sailboat.For more information please contact Ian Van Tuyl the yacht specialist. Please feel free to contact me at any time day or night and I look forward to hearing from you and hopefully earning your business. 1-(619)-507-4416 ivtyachtsales@gmail.com http://www.ivtyachtsales.com
After enjoying a fun, lively test sail on the Hanse 510 ahead of the Annapolis Sailboat Show, SAIL's Top 10 Best Boats review team took a closer look at this new Berret-Racoupeau design on the boat show docks. Watch the walkthrough video here, and stay tuned for a full review of this Top 10 Best Boats nominee. @hanseyachts01
Step into a world of luxury and elegance aboard the F-Line PRESTIGE 460. Join us for a captivating walkthrough as we explore this stunning yacht, highlighting its impeccable design, spacious interior, and incredible outdoor living space. Get ready to be inspired to set sail on your own adventure. Subscribe for more yacht tours and nautical adventures! Find out more... https://tmgyachts.com/prestige-460/ Contact us... https://tmgyachts.com/contact/
The Hallberg-Rassy 40C, a SAIL Top 10 Best Boats nominee, is a quintessential bluewater cruiser whose design and execution leave no detail unattended. SAIL Technical Editor Adam Cove and Editor-in-Chief Wendy Mitman Clarke provide a thorough walkthrough highlighting the points that stood out most during their review and test sail of this model.
Join us on a tour of HH44-01, the number #1 hull of the HH44-SC (Sports Cruising) range of catamarans. This performance catamaran was the star of the show at the Cannes Yachting Festival. ▫️ This five minute video covers the main exterior and interior features of the boat including the twin aft swing helms, carbon and e-glass construction, folding transoms, interior finish and more. ▫️ Contact us at info (at) katamarans.com for more information on this bluewater yacht which is available as a Sports Cruising model (SC) or Ocean Cruising version (OC). #sailing #yachts #design #ocean ▫️ Please give us a thumbs up and subscribe to https://www.youtube.com/@katamaranscom/?sub_confirmation=1 if you enjoy the video! ▫️ 1. Exterior 0:01 2. Daggerboards 0:22 3. The Rig 0:49 4. Salon 1:51 5. Owner's Hull 2:10 6. Guest Hull 2:50 7. Aft Cockpit 3:07 8. Colour Choices 3:43 9. Hybrid Electric Power System 3:50 10. Layout 4:08 11. Specs 4:15 12. Contact us for more info 4:38
Mit einer Länge von insgesamt 20,55 Metern ist der Lagoon SIXTY 5 Katamaran ein äußerst geräumiges und komfortables Schiff. Die Lagoon SIXTY 5 bietet ausreichend Platz und Sicherheit an und unter Deck. Um den Bedürfnissen des Eigners dieses hochwertigen Schiffes gerecht zu werden, ist an Bord des Katamarans auch ausreichend Platz für eine 2-Personen-Crew. Mit viel Liebe zum Detail bietet der Katamaran puren Luxus auf dem Wasser. Mehr informationen: https://masteryachting.com/lagoon-sixty-5/ ---- With a length of 20.55 meters, the LAGOON SIXTY 5 catamaran is an extremely spacious and comfortable ship. The LAGOON SIXTY 5 offers enough space and safety on and below deck. In order to meet the needs of the owner of this high-quality ship, there is also enough space on board for a 2-person crew. With great attention to detail, she offers pure luxury on the water. More information: https://masteryachting.com/en/lagoon-sixty-5/ masteryachting #lagooncatamarans #lagoon #lagoon65 #catamaran #catamarans #catamaransailing #boatlife
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Nach den vielen Boots Besichtigungen von Blauwasserbooten in den letzten Wochen gibt es wieder Arbeiten an der Ariba. Dieses Mal wird am Motor geschraubt, unserem Perkins Modell 4.108. Der Dieselfilter soll eine Entlüftungsschraube bekommen. Und am Ende zeige ich wie man das Kraftstoffsystem beim Perkins 4.108 entlüftet. Das funktioniert auch bei hartnäckigen Entlüftungsproblemen. Das ist der Geheimtip eines Motoren Mechaniker von Perkins! Und zur Abwechslung nach der vielen Arbeit gibt es am Abend noch einen Ausflug nach Barcelona mit dem Fahrrad. 00:00 - 00:30 Was in dieser Folge passiert 00:30 - 02:02 Vorbereitung 02:03 - 07:17 Entlüftungssschraube am Dieselfilter einbauen 07:18 - 09:03 Vorförderpumpe Perkins 4108 tauschen 09:04 - 11:01 Entlüften am Dieselfilter 11:02 - 13:53 Entlüften Perkins 4108 an den Einspritzdüsen 13:54 - 15:00 Aufräumen Timelapse 15:01 - 17:19 Mit den Fahrrad nach Barcelona 17:20 - 23:27 Abend in Eixample und Barcelona Du kannst uns auch hier besuchen: https://www.instagram.com/hafenkino.blog https://www.facebook.com/hafenkino.blog https://hafenkino.blog Musik: https://www.epidemicsound.com/ Aufgenommen mit: iPhone 11, XR und GoPro Hero 6 *Lumix DC-G110 https://amzn.to/3vVu5ri *Sennheiser MKE 200 https://amzn.to/35ZHH9T *Gimbal: DJI OM4 https://amzn.to/3Cun8hT Micro 1: *Røde ME-L (mit Windschutz!) https://amzn.to/43CXEMr Micro 2: *Saramonic Blink 500 https://amzn.to/3tHPLEt Drohne: DJI Mini SE Fly More Combo https://amzn.to/3LOjpze Filmschnitt: iMovie, Premiere Pro und Adobe Rush Wenn du uns unterstützen möchtest, dann gehe doch vor deiner nächsten Amazonbestellung über einen der Amazon - Kurzlinks auf von hafenkino.blog auf Amazon. Bei einer Bestellung innerhalb der nächsten 24 Stunden erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Nicht viel und wir sehen auch nicht, wer was kauft. Werbehinweis für Artikel und Links mit Sternchen (*) Es handelt sich um einen Affiliate-Link, das heißt, wenn du auf der verlinkten Website etwas kaufst, erhalten wir eine kleine Provision. Damit unterstützt du uns dabei sehr guten Content zu produzieren! Weitere Möglichkeiten zur Unterstützung folgen bald! Vlogs die wir mögen: Sailing Uma Anna und Malin Segeljungs Untie the lines Sailing Magic Carpet Sailing Fair Isle No bullshit - just sailing SEO: sailing,segeln,liveaboard,segeltörn,boatlife,sailingcouple,blauwasser,bluewatersailing,Dufour,Dufour39,Langfahrt,langfahrtsegeln,törn,Atlantik,bluewatercruising,sailboat,sailing adventure,sailing vlog,anchoring,voranker,liveaboard,sailboat,mittelmeer,reisen,travelvlog,travelvlogger,sailingvideo,spain,spanien,segeln in spanien, Camper&Nicholson 48, Bootsbesichtigung, boat review
Have you ever dreamed of traveling the world! So have we, and that exactly what we have decided to do. We (Jon and Kirsty) sold our house in Cape Town, South Africa to buy boat to see, sail and explore more of this incredible world with our little family. We packed our bags and our two little boys Kai (aged 4) and Jay (aged 2) and flew to Gibraltar to move onto our new floating home, a Nautitech Open 40 Catamaran. Join us on an adventure of a lifetime and see where the winds blow us. In this episode we take you on a boat tour of our new floating home, a Nautitech Open 40 Catamaran. @let.go.lets.go on Instagram #boatlife #livingonaboat #sailing #sailingaroundtheworld #buyingaboat #sailingwithkids #travellingwithkids #sailingvlog #travelvlog #catamaran #nautitech #familytravel #livethedream #nomad #nautitech #boattour #dreamboat #boatlife #boat #sailboat #sail #sailinglife
The Prestige M48 is a game-changer in the multihull industry, garnering numerous awards within its first year of production. This 50-foot vessel offers the spaciousness and living area of a typical 60-foot monohull, making it a remarkable addition to the boating world. In this video, we'll take a closer look at the key features that make the Prestige M48 a standout choice for enthusiasts and adventurers alike. Find out more... https://tmgyachts.com/prestige-m48/ Contact us... https://tmgyachts.com/contact/
The ELAN E4, A True SAILORS boat? A boat built for Sailing Performance and SPEED and somehow with cruising Comfort too. We take a boat tour of this lightweight speed machine to see what it's all about. Maybe she's not one for the BLUEWATER crusers or the out and out RACER but im sure both would agree if its time to dabble in both, she could be the one! #walkthrough #tour #boat #yacht #cruiser #cruising #gear #sailboat #sail #racing #cruiser #cruisereview #review #walkaround #sailing #fast #sports #racing #speed #comfortable #motor #coastal #family #performance #test #sailhub #elan #med #transom #cockpit 🎥 Credited Channels: @elanyachts To see more product testing, reviews and sustainability in sailing tune in each week or hit subscribe https://www.youtube.com/@SailHub?sub_confirmation=1 Follow on INSTAGRAM 📱 https://www.instagram.com/sailhubvideomagazine #sailing #performance #race
The Excess 11 catamaran is a true blue water cruising catamaran designed for the competitive sailor, see the class leading volume available in this sailing video walkthrough from the Annapolis boat show 2023. LIKE ➡ SHARE ➡ SUBSCRIBE ► Subscribe For more: / @ucz0qfbbzdopb6k3rzysmw9q Follow/Like Us Socially ► Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/virginisland... ►Instagram: @virginislandsyachtbroker ►Website: https://virginislandsyachtbroker.com/ #sailingadventures #excesscatamarans #excess11 The base price is around €300,000, but when you add on all of the options, you are looking at around €350,000 to €400,000 (ex VAT). This will depend on your options of course!